A tau-conjecture for Newton polygons

One can associate to any bivariate polynomial P(X,Y) its Newton polygon. This is the convex hull of the points (i,j) such that the monomial X^i Y^j appears in P with a nonzero coefficient. We conjecture that when P is expressed as a sum of products of sparse polynomials, the number of edges of its Newton polygon is polynomially bounded in the size of such an expression. We show that this ''tau-conjecture for Newton polygons,'' even in a weak form, implies that the permanent polynomial is not computable by polynomial size arithmetic circuits. We make the same observation for a weak version of an earlier ''real tau-conjecture.'' Finally, we make some progress toward the tau-conjecture for Newton polygons using recent results from combinatorial geometry.

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Source https://ens-lyon.hal.science/ensl-00850791
Author Koiran, Pascal, Portier, Natacha, Tavenas, Sébastien, Thomassé, Stéphan
Maintainer CCSD
Last Updated May 5, 2026, 11:29 (UTC)
Created May 5, 2026, 11:29 (UTC)
Identifier ensl-00850791
Language en
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contributor Laboratoire de l'Informatique du Parallélisme (LIP) ; École normale supérieure de Lyon (ENS de Lyon) ; Université de Lyon-Université de Lyon-Université Claude Bernard Lyon 1 (UCBL) ; Université de Lyon-Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique (Inria)-Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (CNRS)
creator Koiran, Pascal
date 2014-05-12T00:00:00
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harvest_source_title test moissonnage SELUNE
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